Did Jesus say he was God?
The four Gospels do not answer this the same way, and the order they were written in matters.
The question
A Roman governor was reporting that Christians sang to Christ as to a god by about 112, and Paul was quoting what reads as an existing hymn decades earlier. The dispute is about the step before those.
Two things get run together here, and separating them is most of the work: what the texts say about him, and what he is reported to have said about himself. They are not the same evidence and they do not point equally firmly.
Sources for the question:Source 1: Letters, Book 10, Letter 96: to the Emperor Trajan, concerning Christians, Pliny the Younger, Perseus Digital Library, Tufts UniversitySource 25: Pliny on the Christians: Letters 10.96 and 10.97, in English, Internet History Sourcebooks, ed. Paul Halsall, Fordham UniversitySource 2: Philippians 2, World English Bible, eBible.org, public domainSource 27: Is rewritten Bible/Scripture the solution to the Synoptic Problem?, Gert J. Malan, HTS Teologiese Studies 70(1), open access
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What is on record
Known. Strongly supported by evidence and broadly established.
Strongly supported by evidence and broadly established.
The worship is early, and attested from outside
Evidence. Established by measurement, documents, manuscripts, archaeology or other method that can be checked, and not seriously disputed.
Around 112 a Roman governor investigating Christians reported to his emperor that they met before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ "as to a god". Pliny had no reason to flatter them and had been executing them.
Paul is earlier still, and quotes what is widely, though not universally, read as a hymn already in circulation: Christ "existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped", who emptied himself, and to whom God gave "the name which is above every name". If that is a quotation, the belief is older than the letter.
8 sources for this passage. Show them.
- Letters, Book 10, Letter 96: to the Emperor Trajan, concerning ChristiansPliny the Younger, Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University · c. 112
- Pliny on the Christians: Letters 10.96 and 10.97, in EnglishInternet History Sourcebooks, ed. Paul Halsall, Fordham University
- Philippians 2, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- A Rhetorical analysis of Philippians 1:27-2:18A. H. Snyman, Verbum et Ecclesia 26(3), open access · 2005
- Is rewritten Bible/Scripture the solution to the Synoptic Problem?Gert J. Malan, HTS Teologiese Studies 70(1), open access · 2014
- The Binitarian Shape of Early Christian Worship, in The Jewish Roots of Christological MonotheismLarry W. Hurtado, Brill · 1999
- Philippians ii. 5-11: Its Literary Form, in Carmen ChristiRalph P. Martin, Cambridge University Press · 1967
- Philippians 2:5-11: Hymn or Exalted Pauline Prose?Gordon D. Fee, Bulletin for Biblical Research · 1992
In Mark the claim is oblique, and it is the one he is condemned for
The text. What the biblical texts themselves state. That a text says something is a fact about the text, and separate from whether it describes an event.
Mark, which most scholars take to be the earliest Gospel, keeps his identity almost secret until the trial. Asked directly by the high priest whether he is "the Christ, the Son of the Blessed", he answers "I am", and adds that they will see "the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of the sky".
What that claims is argued over. Coming with the clouds is from Daniel, where the figure is "one like a son of man", and elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible the phrase means a human being, so it does not simply mean divine. Sitting at the right hand is from Psalm 110. The high priest tears his clothes at the whole answer and calls it blasphemy, and Mark does not say which part he heard that way.
8 sources for this passage. Show them.
- Mark 14, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 1, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 8, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 15, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Daniel 7, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Psalm 110, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Is rewritten Bible/Scripture the solution to the Synoptic Problem?Gert J. Malan, HTS Teologiese Studies 70(1), open access · 2014
- ‘Son of man’ in the Gospel of MarkMarius Nel, In die Skriflig 51(3), open access · 2017
In John it is explicit, and John is usually dated last
The text. What the biblical texts themselves state. That a text says something is a fact about the text, and separate from whether it describes an event.
John has Jesus saying things the other three do not. "I and the Father are one." And, of Abraham, "before Abraham came into existence, I AM", which echoes the name God gives Moses in Exodus, and the crowd picks up stones.
John also opens with a prologue identifying him with the Word, which "was God". None of it is in Mark, Matthew or Luke. It is plainer than anything in them, and still read more than one way: accused of making himself God, John’s Jesus answers from scripture, "I said, you are gods", and calls himself the Son of God.
6 sources for this passage. Show them.
- John 1, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- John 8, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- John 10, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Exodus 3, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- The Pope’s Jesus book and the Christologies of the gospelsWim J. C. Weren, HTS Teologiese Studies 67(1), open access · 2011
- The divinity of Jesus in the Gospel of John: The ‘lived experiences’ it fostered when the text was readDirk G. van der Merwe, HTS Teologiese Studies 75(1), open access · 2019
The plainest statements are in the Gospel usually dated furthest from the events.
Where the four accounts pull apart
Uncertain. Meaningful scientific, historical or philosophical disagreement remains.
Meaningful scientific, historical or philosophical disagreement remains.
Whether John reports or interprets
Scholarship. A reading or reconstruction argued among the people who work on it, where the evidence allows more than one conclusion.
The positions here are genuinely opposed. One holds that John, written last and by a community that had decades to reflect, is presenting the meaning of Jesus rather than transcribing him, and that the plainest claims are the least likely to be the earliest.
The other holds that John preserves material the others did not use. The chapter cited for it is about incidents scattered across the other three that cohere in John.
Both have to account for the same awkward fact: the explicit statements appear in the one Gospel usually dated furthest from the events.
3 sources for this passage. Show them.
- Incidents dispersed in the Synoptics and cohering in John, in Engaging with C. H. Dodd on the Gospel of JohnPaul N. Anderson, Cambridge University Press · 2013
- The Pope’s Jesus book and the Christologies of the gospelsWim J. C. Weren, HTS Teologiese Studies 67(1), open access · 2011
- Is rewritten Bible/Scripture the solution to the Synoptic Problem?Gert J. Malan, HTS Teologiese Studies 70(1), open access · 2014
What the earliest Christians thought they were doing
Scholarship. A reading or reconstruction argued among the people who work on it, where the evidence allows more than one conclusion.
The people who began worshipping Jesus were Jews who worshipped one God, and for whom giving that worship to a man would have been blasphemy. That they did it anyway, quickly, is the fact every account has to explain.
Some read it as a rapid development under the pressure of what they believed had happened at Easter. Others read it as the working out of something Jesus had already said or implied. The second needs the words to be his; the first does not.
6 sources for this passage. Show them.
- The Binitarian Shape of Early Christian Worship, in The Jewish Roots of Christological MonotheismLarry W. Hurtado, Brill · 1999
- The Origins of Jesus-Devotion: A Response to Crispin Fletcher-LouisL. W. Hurtado, Tyndale Bulletin 61.1 · 2010
- The institutionalization of Jesus’ charismatic authority, Part 1: Indirect Christology, direct ChristologyYolanda Dreyer and Andries van Aarde, HTS Teologiese Studies 56(2/3), open access · 2000
- The divinity of Jesus in the Gospel of John: The ‘lived experiences’ it fostered when the text was readDirk G. van der Merwe, HTS Teologiese Studies 75(1), open access · 2019
- ‘Son of man’ in the Gospel of MarkMarius Nel, In die Skriflig 51(3), open access · 2017
- Mark 2, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
Underneath the Greek
Unknown. Humanity does not currently have a satisfactory answer.
Humanity does not currently have a satisfactory answer.
What he said, in his own language
Open. A question no research, historical or scientific or theological, has resolved to general agreement.
He taught in Aramaic. Every saying in the Gospels reaches us in Greek, written by people who were not taking notes, for communities that already worshipped him. There is no layer underneath that anyone can get to.
So a reconstruction of his self-understanding is a reconstruction, and the confident ones in both directions are doing more with the evidence than it supports.
4 sources for this passage. Show them.
- Mark 5, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 15, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- The institutionalization of Jesus’ charismatic authority, Part 1: Indirect Christology, direct ChristologyYolanda Dreyer and Andries van Aarde, HTS Teologiese Studies 56(2/3), open access · 2000
- ‘Son of man’ in the Gospel of MarkMarius Nel, In die Skriflig 51(3), open access · 2017
What the church holds, and why
Possible. A hypothesis or interpretation worth examining, but not an established fact.
A hypothesis or interpretation worth examining, but not an established fact.
What the doctrine says, and when it was settled
Belief. A claim of faith about God, salvation, revelation or the resurrection. Held by Christians as true; not the kind of claim historical method is able to settle either way.
Nicene Christianity holds that Jesus is God incarnate, fully God and fully human. The wording was fought over for more than a century and fixed at Nicaea in 325 and then at Chalcedon in 451, whose definition confesses him as truly God and truly man, acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division or separation. That is a fact about the wording rather than about when the belief began.
For its own definition, Chalcedon appeals not to one saying but to the prophets, to what "the Lord Jesus Christ has taught us" and to the creed of the fathers.
5 sources for this passage. Show them.
- The Council of Chalcedon, 451: Definition of the faithPapal Encyclicals Online · 451
- Council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451): the Definition of the FaithTr. Henry Percival, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series, vol. 14, New Advent · 451
- Common Christological Declaration between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the EastJohn Paul II and Mar Dinkha IV, Holy See · 11 November 1994
- Common Declaration of Pope John Paul II and Patriarch Moran Mar Ignatius Zakka I Iwas of the Syrian Orthodox ChurchHoly See · 23 June 1984
- Orthodox Christianity in the 21st CenturyPew Research Center · 8 November 2017
Not every church accepted that formula
Traditions differ. A point on which Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant traditions teach differently, described without picking between them.
The Oriental Orthodox churches did not receive Chalcedon, and the split has lasted fifteen centuries. The Church of the East is also divided from Rome, and in 1994 the two churches were still working towards "full communion to be restored between their Churches". Their disagreement is about how the divine and human in Christ are to be described, not about whether he is divine, which is why modern common declarations between those churches and Rome have been able to say the confession is one and the vocabulary was two.
So a sentence beginning "Christianity holds" is doing more work than it looks. On this question almost every church holds the substance, and tens of millions of Christians do not use the words Chalcedon settled on.
4 sources for this passage. Show them.
- The Council of Chalcedon, 451: Definition of the faithPapal Encyclicals Online · 451
- Orthodox Christianity in the 21st CenturyPew Research Center · 8 November 2017
- Common Declaration of Pope John Paul II and Patriarch Moran Mar Ignatius Zakka I Iwas of the Syrian Orthodox ChurchHoly See · 23 June 1984
- Common Christological Declaration between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the EastJohn Paul II and Mar Dinkha IV, Holy See · 11 November 1994
Why the question is put this way
Open. A question no research, historical or scientific or theological, has resolved to general agreement.
The demand for a sentence in which he says it outright, and that can be shown to be his own words, is a modern instinct, and it is worth noticing that it is one. A first-century Jewish teacher announcing "I am God" would have been heard as blasphemy or as madness rather than as revelation, and those are the two things John has his hearers say.
What the texts show instead is someone forgiving sins, reinterpreting the law on his own authority, and accepting worship. Whether that adds up to the claim is precisely what has been argued about for two thousand years.
6 sources for this passage. Show them.
- Mark 2, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Matthew 5, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Matthew 14, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Matthew 28, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- John 10, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- The Pope’s Jesus book and the Christologies of the gospelsWim J. C. Weren, HTS Teologiese Studies 67(1), open access · 2011
The evidence
Primary research, scientific institutions and archives. Links open at the publisher.
- Letters, Book 10, Letter 96: to the Emperor Trajan, concerning ChristiansPliny the Younger, Perseus Digital Library, Tufts University · c. 112
- Philippians 2, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 14, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- John 1, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- John 8, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- John 10, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- The Council of Chalcedon, 451: Definition of the faithPapal Encyclicals Online · 451
- The Binitarian Shape of Early Christian Worship, in The Jewish Roots of Christological MonotheismLarry W. Hurtado, Brill · 1999
- The Origins of Jesus-Devotion: A Response to Crispin Fletcher-LouisL. W. Hurtado, Tyndale Bulletin 61.1 · 2010
- Common Christological Declaration between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the EastJohn Paul II and Mar Dinkha IV, Holy See · 11 November 1994
- Philippians ii. 5-11: Its Literary Form, in Carmen ChristiRalph P. Martin, Cambridge University Press · 1967
- Philippians 2:5-11: Hymn or Exalted Pauline Prose?Gordon D. Fee, Bulletin for Biblical Research · 1992
- Incidents dispersed in the Synoptics and cohering in John, in Engaging with C. H. Dodd on the Gospel of JohnPaul N. Anderson, Cambridge University Press · 2013
- Mark 1, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 2, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 5, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 8, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Mark 15, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Matthew 5, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Matthew 14, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Matthew 28, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Daniel 7, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Psalm 110, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Exodus 3, World English BibleeBible.org, public domain
- Pliny on the Christians: Letters 10.96 and 10.97, in EnglishInternet History Sourcebooks, ed. Paul Halsall, Fordham University
- A Rhetorical analysis of Philippians 1:27-2:18A. H. Snyman, Verbum et Ecclesia 26(3), open access · 2005
- Is rewritten Bible/Scripture the solution to the Synoptic Problem?Gert J. Malan, HTS Teologiese Studies 70(1), open access · 2014
- ‘Son of man’ in the Gospel of MarkMarius Nel, In die Skriflig 51(3), open access · 2017
- The Pope’s Jesus book and the Christologies of the gospelsWim J. C. Weren, HTS Teologiese Studies 67(1), open access · 2011
- The institutionalization of Jesus’ charismatic authority, Part 1: Indirect Christology, direct ChristologyYolanda Dreyer and Andries van Aarde, HTS Teologiese Studies 56(2/3), open access · 2000
- The divinity of Jesus in the Gospel of John: The ‘lived experiences’ it fostered when the text was readDirk G. van der Merwe, HTS Teologiese Studies 75(1), open access · 2019
- Council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451): the Definition of the FaithTr. Henry Percival, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series, vol. 14, New Advent · 451
- Common Declaration of Pope John Paul II and Patriarch Moran Mar Ignatius Zakka I Iwas of the Syrian Orthodox ChurchHoly See · 23 June 1984
- Orthodox Christianity in the 21st CenturyPew Research Center · 8 November 2017
What can be shown
Start with the evidence and follow it until it runs out, which it does, in a specific place.
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